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John Leckie's avatar

ESG isn’t going to save the planet even if one takes the view of Bjorn Lomborg that CO2 is a problem. He advocates solutions without wrecking the economy …EG, small reactors. Besides how can you quantify ESG? I understand FTX had a higher rating than Exxon. That’s nuts. ESG is a marketing bafflegab tool that’s become dangerous to pensioners’ returns .

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Pete Davies's avatar

If Alberta ever takes over the my CPP, I will flee Alberta tomorrow (or, at least, asap). You'd have a hard time convincing me that Alberta, and AIMCo or its like, would manage my money better (long term returns, but also security wise) than the CPPIB does.

Your post mentioned actuarial reports prepared for the Frasier Institute. There were none at the link you gave. Just a reference to the Chief Actuary's report anyone can access. Also, the two main individuals quoted in that Frasier Institute article are not actuaries (though they may still be smart people in their own right, in other areas of expertise).

When Alberta last discussed withdrawing from the CPP, back in the 1990s, a former President and various other members of both the Society of Actuaries and the Canadian Institute of Actuaries actually expressed their opinions on the idea. Not one thought it was a good idea.

Any actuary I've ever spoken to (dozens, at least) also say it would be a mistake to withdraw. There are many reasons why this is so, but this sort of comment section isn't a place I want to spend my time debating the topic. The article at this link (by two Albertan pension expert managers) does list many of the main points, though:

https://abpolecon.ca/2021/09/29/what-would-withdrawing-from-the-canada-pension-plan-mean-to-albertans/

I'll conclude by reiterating that the Frasier Institute paints a rosy picture by glossing over all of the downside.

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